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Mind if I request the Clowes quote about selling out? I wanna see if it’s really as obliviously judgmental as it seems.
As far as I’m concerned, the only real way to sell out is to become a wage slave. Since 90% of our peers are wage slaves I don’t consider it something to be ashamed about– it’s just the sad state of things. Merchandising your own ideas is not selling out, btw. Especially when you’re talking about comics. Hell, Comics ARE merchandised ideas. Comics aren’t original art, they’re mass-produced copies of the original idea. That is precisely merchandising. And woe to the “sell-out” that does a second or third printing of his comics project, for he is merchandising a merchandised product. If you’re selling the license to print t-shirts to some faceless company… well, okay, that’s selling out, but it’s no worse than anything Clowes has done.
Putting aside for the moment that Clowes publishes through Fantagraphics and not his own imprint, and putting aside the fact that he’s sold the movie rights to Ghost World and Art School Confidential, AND ignoring that there are Ghost World t-shirts readily available for purchase on the interwebs, I have to wonder where he draws the line.
Slick t-shirt, btw.
I’m just fucking with Dan, he didn’t exactly say that. I love that guy and he’s the King of the hill at this time if you ask me. Did you read Wilson? It’s very good and very funny.
But how does one expect to make money if one doesn’t sell out?
EVERYTHING MUST GO!!!!
I don’t know why people are afraid of being called sell-outs. Isn’t that term what unsuccessful people use to belittle people that are making a living off their skills? Hell, call me a sell-out if it means I don’t have to waste 40 hours of my week in some menial job. That’s the sell-out.
I want the classic acorn collecting strip on a shirt. I’ll pay top dollar for it too. Plus, I could also rig your wordpress to not require authentication… except that’s really not a good idea.
The idea of the “sell out” has been around and detested since the early days of industrial capitalism. Willhelm von Humboldt, a german philosopher and linguist, wrote shortly after the French revolution, “Whatever does not spring from a man’s free choice, or is only the result of instruction and guidance, does not enter into his very being, but remains alien to his true nature; he does not perform it with truly human energies, but merely with mechanical exactness…”
and “…we may admire what he does, but we despise what he is.”
The idea of creating something merely to satisfy the whims of a benefactor was seen as a perversion and degradation of the free state of man.
It seems clear to me that there was no contention with whether you should sell the goods you produced. A man’s gotta make a living. The problem was with selling your skills and becoming an automaton– degrading yourself by becoming a machine that produces according to the direction of another man (or company). Early in the labor movement, working for wages under the direction of a manager was seen as similar to slavery (hence, wageslave). Renting your services wasn’t any more noble than being owned, outright, by another man.
Of course, the labor movement in the western world has been pretty well crushed by now (especially in the US), and barely resembles what it once was. So what’s left of this tradition of thought is usually only expressed by sneering, self-important hipsters and oblivious counter-culture nerds who would prefer to further degrade the working-man, rather than empower them over their masters. I have very little sympathy for the punkrocker that shops at Walmart in one breath and spits on the motives of a label-engineered popband in the next.
>>The idea of creating something merely to satisfy the whims of a benefactor was seen as a perversion and degradation of the free state of man.<<
Good desciption of the toilet/sandwich t-shirt!
>>sneering, self-important hipsters and oblivious counter-culture nerds <<
Excellent description of Dan Clowes!
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>>Plus, I could also rig your wordpress to not require authentication… except that’s really not a good idea.<<
It’s good idea, I want this thing loosened up. I don’t care about spammers or assholes, I can filter. (Not the assholes, I welcome them.)
I’m meeting with my guy next week and we’ll make it easier to find everything. This bare bones blog is just temporary.
I stand corrected. But seriously, I want the acorn collecting shirt.
Good to also see your site is frequented by people that exercise the age old art of thought.
The model looks like he’s related to Uncle Gabby.
Derrrr how do I turn this into a link on the post?
http://tinyurl.com/24mquag